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What do you think was happening that day of the interview? Was it a matter of trust between you and Ramos? Or was he just ready to purge himself of the story? He didn’t try to push blame onto anybody else. Here was a guy who simply remembered every single solitary detail of this story, chapter and verse, over the whole period of time. And certainly it’s self-serving the way they tell a story, but not in this case. You go in expecting that people are going to lie to you, and they generally do. People lie to you all the time in these interviews. I don’t know whether he was a savant or what he was, but he told the story in such incredible detail and it all held together. This young man, at the time we talked to him, was in his mid 20s or 30-ish. So you just need to hear the whole story. But our philosophy is if you don’t have it all on tape, you can’t use it later in the edit room. We usually interview people for a couple of hours, and then what you see on Dateline is a few minutes of it. So when Morrison heard that NBC wanted to start making Dateline audio podcasts, the correspondent tells Vanity Fair, “This story was uppermost in my mind.” Morrison still considers his sit-down with Ramos, after he had been sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, to be one of the most gratifying conversations of his career. But Morrison says the episode only aired a handful of times. The grim story was perfect Dateline material-full of twists and turns like a staged kidnapping, an attempted murder, and multiple lovers’ betrayals. Their romance spun out of control, with Ramos and Presba eventually pleading guilty to murdering Presba’s husband, Ed, and staging his death in a fiery 2008 car accident. But there’s one jailhouse interview that still sticks with him-one he conducted back in 2010 with Jaime Ramos, a California man who had an affair with his married counselor, Patty Presba, who was over 25 years Ramos’s senior. Because of this, staffers used this to lure Madigan to the room where they planned to out her instead in front of DEFCON attendees in the "spot the undercover reporter" game but Madigan bolted from the scene before her photo was put up on the projector.Dateline correspondent Keith Morrison has interviewed plenty of suspected murderers in his 27 years with the NBC news magazine. DEFCON official "Priest" also had reason to believe that that Madigan was planning to out uncover federal agents attending DEFCON and expressed some serious concern about the safety and privacy of those agents. When a DEFCON staffer spoke to Madigan posing as regular attendee, Madigan commented that people in Kansas (reference to middle America) would be very interested in what was "really" going on in DEFCON. Madigan was apparently trying to do a shock piece for NBC Dateline to show middle America how criminal underground hackers had descended on DEFCON Las Vegas to learn tricks of the trade and how Federal Agents were tracking them down. The staffer then followed Madigan around and watched her as she panned her hidden camera around the entire "Capture the flag" room to get unauthorized video of the members. When a DEFCON goon (staffer) explained to Madigan that secret video taping wasn't allowed, Madigan not knowing she was speaking to a goon replied that she didn't think it wasn't a problem. Madigan proceeded to register as a regular DEFCON attendee and even told a DEFCON staffer that she was going to the bathroom to get her hidden camera ready. Reporters in the pressroom were then fully briefed on the situation before the "spot the undercover reporter game" so that they could cover the event.Īccording to Senior DEFCON official "Priest" who works for the Government in his day job, Madigan declined press credentials on four separate occasions (twice on phone and twice at DEFCON). DEFCON officials never got the chance to bring Madigan on stage to offer her a press badge so that she could cover the rest of the event above board.ĭEFCON organizers caught wind of this from undisclosed sources and casually contacted Madigan to see if she wanted official press credentials and a press badge to cover DEFCON.
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When DEFCON staff announced the "spot the undercover reporter" game and told the audience that an undercover reporter was taking video to catch someone confessing to a hacking crime, Madigan bolted from the conference premises followed by a pack of ~150 DEFCON attendees and reporters trying to photograph and video tape her. Undercover reporter Michelle Madigan (Associate Producer of NBC Dateline) got a little more than she bargained for when she tried to sneak in to DEFCON 2007 with hidden cameras to get someone to confess to a felony.